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00:00:03 Ben Skipper

Hello and welcome to the Russian Web War part 6. Here at the Atkins lounge. Today I am joined by Doctor Philip Budd. Hello, doctor blood.

00:00:17 Philip Blood

Hello Ben.

00:00:19 Ben Skipper

And we and today's guest is Dustin.

00:00:23 Philip Blood

Hello.

00:00:24 Ben Skipper

Hello Dustin won't won't tell you any more personal details. Dustin is a lawyer with a great deal of expertise in a range of fields, including the laws. What what would be the sort of, I suppose, poor what?

00:00:26 Dustin Du Cane

Hi, Ben. Hi too.

00:00:43 Ben Skipper

The poor way of wording it, the laws of war which will perform today's discussion.

00:00:49 Ben Skipper

So Justin.

00:00:49 Dustin Du Cane

Hello a see laws of armed conflict.

00:00:53 Ben Skipper

Yeah.

00:00:56 Ben Skipper

Thank you for joining us.

00:00:58 Dustin Du Cane

Nice to be here.

00:01:00 Ben Skipper

Yeah, it's good to have you all.

00:01:02 Ben Skipper

Now today's format is going to be run by Phil.

00:01:06 Ben Skipper

Because the the the conversations, there'll be comments from you as always, but that Phil has got quite a few very, very good questions and points that he'd like to put across to us to. So Justin will be sort of answering.

00:01:17 Ben Skipper

These as we.

00:01:17 Ben Skipper

Go. If we don't get time to finish, this will be a short one because it's a very heavy topic. There may well be a Part 2.

00:01:26 Ben Skipper

So chaps, floor is yours.

00:01:30 Philip Blood

OK, so let's just start with general question because we've discussed this in a previous podcast and I'd just like to ask Dustin for his interpretation or his view of my notion of something called mechanised warfare. Uh, mechanised genocide.

00:01:55 Dustin Du Cane

I like it. You know you. You know, I like it. I think the Russians are waging a war of genocide.

00:02:05 Dustin Du Cane

It's clear from what Putin says. It's clear from his propagandists that the engaging in genocide against Ukraine, Ukrainian culture, Ukrainian nationhood, the Ukrainian state.

00:02:23 Dustin Du Cane

Uh, and they're doing it with tanks and artillery.

00:02:28 Dustin Du Cane

Hopefully they won't go to nuclear weapons or chemical weapons.

00:02:36 Dustin Du Cane

But you can.

00:02:38 Dustin Du Cane

Have genocide.

00:02:41 Dustin Du Cane

With artillery, genocide doesn't need a.

00:02:45 Dustin Du Cane

Uh. Other than?

00:02:46 Dustin Du Cane

In.

00:02:47 Dustin Du Cane

Auschwitz.

00:02:48 Dustin Du Cane

You can. Doesn't matter if you're napalmed or killed by a hyperbaric shell, you're still dead if you're killed by if you're killed because you're Ukrainian, you're getting genocides.

00:03:06 Philip Blood

So my second part of this question to.

00:03:13 Philip Blood

Just clarify what we're talking about.

00:03:16 Philip Blood

My way of thinking is the civilian in the path of war has gone from being.

00:03:23 Philip Blood

Collateral damage.

00:03:26 Philip Blood

To genocidal damage. So in other words.

00:03:31 Philip Blood

As the war progresses from the very well, from the very outset and to the way the war progresses.

00:03:38 Philip Blood

The civilian is the target.

00:03:41 Philip Blood

More so than the soldiery.

00:03:44 Dustin Du Cane

Yeah, the aim of war of this war is genocide.

00:03:49 Dustin Du Cane

With intent to destroy.

00:03:54 Philip Blood

So.

00:03:55 Philip Blood

If we've got.

00:03:58 Philip Blood

If we've got an offensive armed force.

00:04:02 Philip Blood

Which is driving forward with the sole purpose of destroying.

00:04:06 Philip Blood

Civilians and you and what we would call innocence, those people who do not have guns or or carry weapons or wear uniforms.

00:04:20 Dustin Du Cane

You can commit genocide on an on a soldier.

00:04:24 Philip Blood

No, I understand that, but let me just continue, if you're if you're attacking in a way that you're your primary purpose is to.

00:04:36 Philip Blood

Destroy civilians.

00:04:39 Philip Blood

Then the way you gauge and assess performance is different from conventional warfare.

00:04:48 Philip Blood

Do you agree?

00:04:49 Dustin Du Cane

Yes.

00:04:51 Philip Blood

So what are the performance measures in genocide when you're using conventional forces?

00:04:58 Philip Blood

Is it how many people you kill?

00:05:01 Philip Blood

Or is it running through the five points of genocide so that you're not only eradicating population, but you're also eradicating culture society and you're causing incredible psychological pain on the opponent?

00:05:18 Philip Blood

Such that there can never ever be going back.

00:05:22 Philip Blood

That's I know that's the last thing I'd want to get to, but it's a chicken and egg situation.

00:05:28 Philip Blood

I'm asking you, this is war that you can never go back from there. There can be no reconciliation after this because of the nature of the war that's been prosecuted. But at the same time, there's the problem of how we cope with and how we comprehend what genocide.

00:05:48 Philip Blood

In conventional terms, means when we're looking at assessing how a military force works, do you see the it's two sides of the same coin. If you, if you, if you.

00:05:59 Philip Blood

If I make myself clear.

00:06:01 Dustin Du Cane

Yeah. And Ben, we'll link this in notes to this podcast. We've got that article from major Russian propagandist writing on Novosti.

00:06:18 Dustin Du Cane

And.

00:06:21 Dustin Du Cane

And he writes.

00:06:23 Dustin Du Cane

This guy is called uh.

00:06:27 Dustin Du Cane

Timothy said get Sev.

00:06:30 Dustin Du Cane

And he makes it clear that this is a war of annihilation. The band the right elites must be eliminated.

00:06:39 Dustin Du Cane

Their reeducation is impossible.

00:06:47 Dustin Du Cane

The notification can only be conducted by the winner.

00:06:47

Worth.

00:06:54 Dustin Du Cane

Those Nazis who took up arms must be destroyed on the battlefield.

00:07:02 Dustin Du Cane

We've got we've got genocide.

00:07:05 Dustin Du Cane

As the war aim.

00:07:10 Philip Blood

OK, but how does an army that's fighting as a genocidal annihilation force?

00:07:22 Philip Blood

Assess itself.

00:07:25 Philip Blood

So what I'm driving to here is then.

00:07:28 Dustin Du Cane

The Knights in shining armour and the heroes and fighting Nazis.

00:07:31 Philip Blood

Yeah.

00:07:34 Philip Blood

Yeah, but let's address it in the context of the way the Western War people want to address this, which is, you know, the the Russians are losing tanks. They're losing troops. They're all the rest.

00:07:45 Philip Blood

Of it. Mm-hmm.

00:07:47 Philip Blood

If the Russians are not fighting an ordinary conventional war.

00:07:53 Philip Blood

Then their results and and their their assessment of performance is going to be out of sync with the way the Western Warriors see the way the war is progressing. Do you see what I'm saying there? It it if.

00:08:07 Dustin Du Cane

Yeah. And you're and you're correct on that because.

00:08:11 Dustin Du Cane

We've got Western analysts counting tanks destroyed.

00:08:18 Dustin Du Cane

Tanks destroy doesn't matter much for Russians if they've destroyed Azov.

00:08:26 Dustin Du Cane

They've levelled Maria Paul and they're occupying the whole or half of Ukraine. They've won, doesn't matter. They can build more tanks.

00:08:36 Philip Blood

So, but what interests me here is, if you remember the Covina in, in and zebra niche in Yugoslav former Yugoslavia.

00:08:48 Philip Blood

When cities, when those cities were pounded into into dead cities and all that heavyweight artillery and and shell fire, was bombed onto those cities.

00:09:00 Philip Blood

The armies then withdrew, withdrew after they'd caused the damage now in Kiev.

00:09:06 Philip Blood

The Russians did much the same.

00:09:09 Philip Blood

To municipalities and then withdraw, leaving that mess behind.

00:09:14 Philip Blood

And I and I know I put together the idea of an Anaconda plant with different lodgements across A320 kilometre front line.

00:09:28 Philip Blood

It was very easy for people to suggest that the Russians were retreating and had failed.

00:09:34 Philip Blood

But in this war, had they failed.

00:09:39 Philip Blood

Had they in fact left the terror?

00:09:42 Philip Blood

For everybody to see that that's actually the example of what's coming. So you can have a flavour.

00:09:52 Philip Blood

And meanwhile, down in the South and the southeast, you continue with the pounding and the destruction of Mariupol. And and I believe in the last 48 hours, they've taken somewhere in the region of 30 or 40 towns and villages.

00:10:08 Philip Blood

They can do that and just continue with the relentless pounding of civilian communities and civilian municipalities, is that?

00:10:18 Philip Blood

That might be the way we should be reading this.

00:10:21 Dustin Du Cane

Yes. And I'm going to say additionally that they're not only engaging in mass destruction 2 scare Ukrainians into submission, to terrorise them, to get them to stop fighting.

00:10:41 Dustin Du Cane

The mass destruction is a war aim in itself.

00:10:46 Dustin Du Cane

If they've levelled the village and killed all the men and chickens there and dogs.

00:10:55 Dustin Du Cane

That's what they're intending to do. They're not.

00:10:58 Dustin Du Cane

They're not doing it to scare the inhabitants of Kiev, 50 kilometres away. They're doing it because they want to.

00:11:07 Dustin Du Cane

Kill older men of fighting age and.

00:11:10 Dustin Du Cane

Kill all the chickens and dogs.

00:11:13 Philip Blood

Well, of course.

00:11:15 Philip Blood

The easiest thing to occupy is a place where there's nobody.

00:11:20 Philip Blood

So does the does.

00:11:22 Philip Blood

There's an additional benefit here. This is why I think it's more of a security warfare scenario.

00:11:29 Philip Blood

Than a conventional.

00:11:31 Philip Blood

Military exercise because if you're if you're clearly clearing whole areas of land mass.

00:11:39 Philip Blood

You don't need to police them very much. I mean, and I know there's somebody from one of these esteemed associations suggesting that you'll need a million people to occupy.

00:11:50 Philip Blood

Way.

00:11:51 Philip Blood

And police Ukraine, if it's captured.

00:11:54 Dustin Du Cane

Yeah, you know my thoughts on that.

00:11:56 Philip Blood

I. Yeah, well, I just, I just want to put it on record that I think it's a whole load of nonsense because.

00:12:03 Philip Blood

You know the Germans could occupy a an area as much as 500,500 thousand hectare, 116,000 hectares with a battalion of troops, which is in those days 286 men.

00:12:17 Dustin Du Cane

How many soldiers do you need to to watch over civilian population was 1 to 500 when you're using Nazi methods?

00:12:27 Philip Blood

You can get it up to one once with that one to 1000 to 1500 to 2000. In fact, you could have one soldier, 1 soldier we know of.

00:12:38 Philip Blood

Pretty much ran a whole town on his own.

00:12:42 Dustin Du Cane

And you've got and. If you've got advanced uh tech, you've got, uh, smartphones, you've got uh, face recognition, you've got cameras got.

00:12:51 Philip Blood

You can.

00:12:52 Dustin Du Cane

You do. You can do things a lot more efficiently than the Gestapo did.

00:12:55 Philip Blood

I think if you applied the 1984 concept of social control over and above.

00:13:03 Philip Blood

Nazi style.

00:13:05 Philip Blood

I'm not going to go down Vanderby Kempton, but sicker. Heights Creek security warfare, where you are.

00:13:12 Philip Blood

Where the camp the town commandant runs the city. I mean in some villages.

00:13:20 Philip Blood

There could be as many as 2000 workers and two Germans.

00:13:26 Philip Blood

And that's that colonial scenario, where the German in the German colonies, you would have maybe one or two guys running a whole a whole region and the same with the Belgians in the Congo.

00:13:40 Philip Blood

They would have maybe 2 administrators and an Assad.

00:13:45 Philip Blood

Running vast areas and as somebody pointed out to me, it wasn't. It wasn't the Belgians that were cutting their hands off the children for for failing to collect their it was their own people and and of course in the Ukraine we had that scenario. That scenario has happened before where collaboration with.

00:14:05 Philip Blood

With an occupying power.

00:14:08 Philip Blood

Was exploited for.

00:14:11 Philip Blood

For the benefits of one of the of the occupier, simply because there were different tribal differences between certain groups, and we know that was a strong scenario in Yugoslavia and I I think it's remarkable.

00:14:22 Dustin Du Cane

Great point.

00:14:27 Philip Blood

Much collaboration and denunciation.

00:14:33 Philip Blood

Is ignored from.

00:14:35 Philip Blood

People who think about occupation planning. I mean, this guy had come up with the million.

00:14:42 Dustin Du Cane

Yeah, if if, if if you if you if you yeah. And you're gonna you're going to need that if you're dealing with past stones and you've got uh not using terror tactics.

00:14:54 Dustin Du Cane

And you're using and you're trying to stick to Geneva Conventions and not commit war crimes, so you're going to need one soldier for 25 population.

00:15:01 Philip Blood

Every 10.

00:15:04 Philip Blood

Yeah, yeah. 10 soldiers in the in the Western method. Every temp soldier is a jagged officer. Isn't he saying? No, you can't do this. And no, you can't do that. Whereas that's not going to apply.

00:15:17 Philip Blood

To a police state, authoritarian militarised dictatorship.

00:15:23 Dustin Du Cane

Which will have collaborators and.

00:15:27 Dustin Du Cane

And people are going to collaborate and I'm sure, and Ukrainian listening to this won't appreciate me saying that Ukraine will collaborate, there will be and they don't have to be particularly awful and nasty people to become a.

00:15:41 Dustin Du Cane

A collaborator to become a security operative.

00:15:48 Dustin Du Cane

They just.

00:15:48 Philip Blood

Well, I think that I think the interesting thing about what the Russians by bringing in mercenaries.

00:15:56 Philip Blood

From yeah, you know from Syria and places.

00:16:01 Philip Blood

You you impose the psychological control over the local population by having people March streets and patrol the streets.

00:16:13 Dustin Du Cane

But you don't need even have to bring in the Syrians. You don't have to. You don't even have to bring in the Syrians.

00:16:19 Dustin Du Cane

If you're occupying and this is already occurring from what we can see, if you're occupying part of Ukraine, then you go to all the men between 18 and 60 left there, say, well, you're going to join the Donetsk or Luhansk peoples militia, and if you don't, that means you're a Nazi.

00:16:41 Dustin Du Cane

And there's a nice little trench there waiting for you.

00:16:48 Philip Blood

I mean, I find this. I find it fascinating that we've actually got to a situation where the word denotification is.

00:16:57 Philip Blood

Become so prominent.

00:16:59 Dustin Du Cane

Yeah, it's terrifying.

00:17:00 Philip Blood

Those when the Red Army and the NKVD conducted the notification in the eastern area of Germany after the Second World War.

00:17:14 Philip Blood

Yeah, there was. There was a hunt for war criminals, but their attitude towards the notification wasn't the same as the British and the Americans, the British and the Americans were.

00:17:25 Philip Blood

Giving people personal shines, you know, per seal shine, which was like a whitewashed certificate. The Russians were not so.

00:17:36 Philip Blood

Nice. They they made people do hard labour and and suffer all kinds of problems. And of course they kept the German POW's till the mid 1950s. My big concern here with this war is will the POW's. Ever. Ever.

00:17:56 Philip Blood

Come out of the Russian system.

00:18:00 Philip Blood

Will the people who've been deported from Mariupol and other towns?

00:18:05 Philip Blood

Ever get back to the West?

00:18:09 Philip Blood

And and where is the stop line for the destruction? This you know, this brings us back. This brings us back to my original question, which is if the performance is to destroy.

00:18:21 Philip Blood

Then this this process doesn't stop at the the Neepa River it it it goes right the way up to Laviv, doesn't it? Yep.

00:18:29

Yeah.

00:18:31 Dustin Du Cane

And then we've got the Baltics, Poland and Moldavia to denotes fight.

00:18:41 Dustin Du Cane

Obviously, Ukrainians will all be Russians.

00:18:45 Dustin Du Cane

And the Russian occupation?

00:18:49 Dustin Du Cane

You can. They're stating that quite clearly in this in this call for genocide from Mr Circuits.

00:18:56 Philip Blood

Yeah, but that that let that dial that back just a second, Dustin, and think about what's going to happen to at least 7,000,000 if not more refugees in Western Europe. What happens to them.

00:19:07 Dustin Du Cane

They will be well, they're going to be the band, the rights are going to be eliminated.

00:19:14 Dustin Du Cane

And the rest will be denazified, which will be.

00:19:20 Philip Blood

But what about the refugees in Poland and Germany today? Well.

00:19:24 Dustin Du Cane

They're Nazis, obviously.

00:19:26 Philip Blood

Well, I can understand why you. Why you why the Russians would come to that conclusion. My my interest is.

00:19:35 Philip Blood

If they never have a home to go to, are they going to become?

00:19:40 Philip Blood

The next Israelites, if you.

00:19:41 Philip Blood

Like.

00:19:43 Philip Blood

Is that is that the way we're going?

00:19:45 Dustin Du Cane

Have become the next pose.

00:19:51 Dustin Du Cane

Is their lights had two they had 2000 year gap between the Romans sending them off and and they they we we do have a direct analogue and history with Poland when was occupied by Germany or Prussia. Sorry, Prussia, Austria and.

00:19:58 Philip Blood

OK.

00:19:58 Philip Blood

The polls.

00:20:10 Dustin Du Cane

Russia.

00:20:13 Dustin Du Cane

Some polls state a lot of polls left.

00:20:17 Dustin Du Cane

So those those Ukrainians who have.

00:20:21 Dustin Du Cane

Become refugees in Poland and the rest of Europe. I assume they'll keep the Ukrainian identity.

00:20:32 Dustin Du Cane

There's enough of them. They won't forget that they're Ukrainian.

00:20:36 Dustin Du Cane

They want integrate.

00:20:39 Dustin Du Cane

Assimilate so that they disappear.

00:20:43 Dustin Du Cane

To keep the flame of Ukrainian statehood alive.

00:20:48 Philip Blood

But the Polish uprising in the 19th century?

00:20:53 Dustin Du Cane

Two of them.

00:20:55 Philip Blood

I'm thinking about the one I think it was the 18 thirties, 1831.

00:21:00 Dustin Du Cane

Yeah.

00:21:01 Philip Blood

As I recall.

00:21:04 Philip Blood

The the czars.

00:21:06 Philip Blood

We're not that.

00:21:09 Philip Blood

Horrible, were they, I thought.

00:21:11 Philip Blood

I thought they.

00:21:13 Philip Blood

They they I think they recognised that there was a Polish identity, that there was the Pale of settlement where the Jewish communities were allowed to settle.

00:21:21 Philip Blood

But I don't. I never got the impression.

00:21:25 Philip Blood

Apart, I'm not talking about the programmes now I'm talking about during the revolution. I don't remember the the Russians being extremely genocidal in dealing with the Polish uprisings. What I'm trying to get to is if anything happens like that with the Ukrainians.

00:21:45 Philip Blood

Within an occupied zone there immediately within a genocidal war, as we've now agreed, is this war. As as this war what it is, any any kind of attempt to?

00:21:59 Philip Blood

Achieve independence is going to be received very badly and it's going to resort to more genocide. Do you see what I see? Putin is now he, he said, a situation where there's no other way out is there? There's only death.

00:22:07 Dustin Du Cane

Hmm.

00:22:18

With it.

00:22:18 Dustin Du Cane

I think so. I think so. I think so. I mean that again, returning to Sir gets.

00:22:26 Dustin Du Cane

You haven't.

00:22:28 Dustin Du Cane

Seen anything like this, even from Nazis?

00:22:32 Dustin Du Cane

There's there's no, there's no written statement.

00:22:39 Dustin Du Cane

Saying being this clear about what they plan to do with.

00:22:44 Dustin Du Cane

Jews and slaves.

00:22:47 Dustin Du Cane

From the Nazis, except maybe the censored bits of Minecraft.

00:22:53 Dustin Du Cane

Yeah. And they want to. They want to occupy and they want to densify, and they want to complete the destroy Ukraine. This is this is this is equivalent of gebel's coming out not with his sports pallets speech where he's.

00:23:08 Dustin Du Cane

He sort of.

00:23:10 Dustin Du Cane

Mentioned.

00:23:13 Dustin Du Cane

Wait, wait.

00:23:13 Philip Blood

Well, I don't want to go too much down the Nazi route because you know, there's too many people out there trying to make World War 2 analogies and.

00:23:23 Philip Blood

Represent this conflict into another way, but what I would rather do is say to you put pose this question to you.

00:23:32 Philip Blood

Hitherto, the laws of war have been directed towards.

00:23:38 Philip Blood

Or crimes and genocide.

00:23:41 Philip Blood

That have arisen as a consequence of a conflict of one form or another. So.

00:23:47 Philip Blood

The the conflict in Rwanda was caused by stocking up feelings between the the two ethnic groups, the genocidal moments in Yugoslavia was stoked by various conflicting nationalisms within the same body politic in Grozny.

00:24:07 Philip Blood

War the the the level of genocide was caused by pounding and bombardment. What we have now though.

00:24:18 Philip Blood

Is if we've got. If the first level of this war in terms of escalation is genocide, there's nowhere else you can go.

00:24:27 Philip Blood

And the problem with the laws of war, as they exist at the moment as I understand them.

00:24:33 Philip Blood

Is there's no escalation, there's no, I mean, the men's rail, the, the, the, the actual mind of the of the, of the culprits, the perpetrators is.

00:24:47 Philip Blood

It's just heinous, vile destruction. Annihilation. There's you. You can't go anywhere. There's no other level. Is that? We've kind of run through the whole of the laws of war, which are sealed in in the Geneva Convention and.

00:25:02 Philip Blood

United Nations and all the other institutions. And we're right at the top that that we've not gone for a process like the Nazis. Well, you know, we started a war crime in 1940 and we end up with Auschwitz.

00:25:17 Philip Blood

From day one, this is like more than Auschwitz. This is this is extreme.

00:25:26 Philip Blood

Total, it's like Total War, but in this case total annihilation. Complicated to try and get the right phraseology to a situation which is as it is.

00:25:35 Dustin Du Cane

I'm falling generate the war aims, so there's there's no need to escalate if you going out to if you're going out there to destroy Ukraine and and Ukrainians you're not, you don't need to escalate.

00:25:49 Philip Blood

Now what I'm suggesting is in the past there was levels of escalation to the point where you got to the big one like Auschwitz, right?

00:25:59 Philip Blood

There was various processes, hunger plans, you name it, but by the top, what?

00:26:05 Philip Blood

What's happened here with Putin, which is we're trying to get?

00:26:10 Philip Blood

We've gone straight at the top level. There's no there's no working up to a point.

00:26:15 Philip Blood

There's no escalation in the war. He's gone straight for it from the very outset.

00:26:21 Dustin Du Cane

He he he can get worse. I mean just.

00:26:24 Philip Blood

You could get worse, but the benchmark that he's set is so high it's already in the realm of Genesis.

00:26:31 Philip Blood

Side I'm talking about the legality now.

00:26:36 Philip Blood

Yeah, it's not just killing prisoners of war. He's gone right up to the top.

00:26:41 Dustin Du Cane

I would say that he started, he started, he made a war of genocide with his speech on the 24th.

00:26:48 Philip Blood

So Dustin, I'd like to ask a question, do you think?

00:26:53 Philip Blood

From the very beginning, from the very outset of this war that Putin had set the military to the task of genocide.

00:27:02 Dustin Du Cane

Yes.

00:27:04 Dustin Du Cane

I think that's clear from the statements he made on the 21st of February, which were.

00:27:13 Dustin Du Cane

Quite terrifying for Ukrainians, and in hindsight they might have.

00:27:21 Dustin Du Cane

At that point, just started mobilising immediately, but they didn't, but his.

00:27:29 Dustin Du Cane

Speech on TV on the 24th in the morning that made it clear that this is a war of genocide.

00:27:39 Dustin Du Cane

It's going to this speech is going to be used.

00:27:44 Dustin Du Cane

Against Putin, if he ever ends up at The Hague.

00:27:52 Dustin Du Cane

Of course it's some rambling nonsense because I see he's getting older, he's getting more senile in my opinion and.

00:28:04 Dustin Du Cane

He's blaming the West going. What about Syria?

00:28:09 Dustin Du Cane

What about Yugoslavia?

00:28:12 Dustin Du Cane

But then he cuts to the point that.

00:28:15

Hmm.

00:28:16 Dustin Du Cane

Russians in Ukraine, millions of them.

00:28:19 Dustin Du Cane

Are suffering genocide.

00:28:23 Dustin Du Cane

It is necessary to immediately stop this nightmare.

00:28:28 Dustin Du Cane

The genocide against the millions of people living in there who rely only on Russia, only on us.

00:28:40 Dustin Du Cane

And then he goes into saying that he's going to recognise.

00:28:48 Dustin Du Cane

Luchansky and Donetsk.

00:28:52 Dustin Du Cane

And he's launching a special military operation to protect the people who have been subjected to abuse and genocide. And this is an important bit.

00:29:02 Dustin Du Cane

And for this, we will pursue the demonetization and denazification of Ukraine as well as bringing to justice those who have committed numerous bloody crimes against civilians, including citizens of the Russian Federation. Now in practise, as we've seen, anybody who opposes Russia.

00:29:24 Dustin Du Cane

And Ukrainian, who opposes Russia, is a Nazi.

00:29:29 Dustin Du Cane

And Nazis are to be eliminated.

00:29:32 Dustin Du Cane

This was always a war. Genocide. Genocide doesn't have to be against the entire nation.

00:29:41 Dustin Du Cane

Can be against subgroup of the nation and it's not a subgroup here is.

00:29:48 Dustin Du Cane

Ukrainians opposing Russia.

00:29:51 Dustin Du Cane

They are Nazis and they are to be eliminated.

00:29:54 Dustin Du Cane

And we also we've also seen that the Russian position is that Ukraine doesn't really exist, that's Putin's position. Ukraine doesn't really doesn't have nationhood. It doesn't have statehood. It doesn't even have its separate history separate from Russia, which opposes might have something to say about.